Disc Specs
- Region:
2 - Released:
14th February 2005 - Country:
United Kingdom - Running Time:
68 minutes - Screen Format:
1.37:1 Non-Anamorphic PAL - Discs / Sides / Layers:
2 / 1 / Dual - Soundtracks:
English Dolby Digital 5.1
English Dolby Digital 1.0 - Subtitles:
English
Bonus features NOT subtitled. - Special Features:
Disc 1:
- Inside Walt's Story Meetings
Disc 2:
- Deleted Scenes
- Games and Activities
- The Making of Bambi: A Prince is Born
- Restoring Bambi
- The Legacy Continues: A Sneak Peek at the All-New Bambi Movie
- Disney Time Capsule: 1942: The Year of Bambi
- The Art of Bambi
- Tricks of the Trade
- Inside the Disney Archives
- "The Old Mill" Animated Short
- Original Theatrical Trailer - Distributor:
Buena Vista
Bambi: Platinum Edition
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Bambi represents Walt Disney at his most mawkish. The quintessentially cute American cartoon, it is hardly surprising that so many people decry the studio's output as syrupy if this is their frame of reference. Yet that in itself is not necessarily a problem, and indeed there has never been a finer maker of syrup than Disney. This is a film that has practically become synonymous with the Disney "house style", and furthermore it set the template upon which every subsequent "animal" or "nature" film from the studio would be based. The storyline is more or less common knowledge by now. The forest has a new prince: Bambi, a young deer, and all the animals are filled with joy. We watch as young Bambi grows up and learns all about the wonders of the forest, under the vigilant gaze of his mother... until she is killed by a human hunter, and Bambi must face up to the very real dangers that face him in the wide world.
While most praise Disney for his sense of story, it is clear from offerings such as this that his primary focus was on imitating real life in infuriatingly obsessive detail. Although the primary characters are drawn in a typically exaggerated cartoon manner, their movements, and the effects animation, conform painstakingly to real life to the extent that, much of the time, Bambi feels more like an exercise in technique rather than in storytelling. That's not to say that the story isn't strong, and indeed Bambi contains a number of moments that have become iconic pieces of cinematic history - and justifiably so. The death of Bambi's mother is truly a classic moment, and one that must have been genuinely shocking for 1942 audiences accustomed to viewing animation primarily as a medium of lighthearted comedy - all the more so because of the harrowing, matter-of-fact manner in which it is treated. There is no extended scene of Bambi bawling as emotional music swells: instead, his father quietly tells him "Your mother can't be with you any more", and they walk off into the snow.

It is disappointing, therefore, that the first act spends so much time setting up the world of the film to be as close a match for reality as possible, and that the final act, in which the forest is plunged into chaos as a result of the arrival of Man, is so heavy-handed in its condemnation of human intervention. Of course, no-one could ever accuse Walt Disney of subtlety, even if he was capable of a relatively light touch where absolutely necessary (such as in the afforementioned scene in which Bambi's mother dies). However, since most of us have the sense to realise that hunting as a sport is sick and depraved, the scenes in which it is repeatedly drummed into us that Nature=Good, Man=Bad seem unneccessarily ham-fisted.
For all of these complaints, however, there is much to like about Bambi. First of all, the film's range is highly commendable. Like the later (and inferior) The Lion King, it preaches a "circle of life" message: one to which all the creatures of the forest belong, and which emphasizes that, although there is death, there is also birth, and that in the grand scheme of things all creatures, great and small, merely constitute a tiny portion of the great tapestry of existence. The fact that the film begins and ends with birth scenes that directly mirror each other (another technique cribbed in The Lion King) underscores this in a clear and down-to-earth manner. The enigma that is Bambi's father is also well-handled. While some have criticized the fact that this supposedly revered figure is so detached from the rest of the forest creatures that he is content to linger in the distance and only show up when Bambi is in real danger, he works extremely well when viewed from the perspective of a God-like figure.

Furthermore, as previously mentioned, the technical aspects of the film are excellent. The backgrounds are wonderful - a combination of rich realism and a decidedly painterly technique - and the animation, both of the characters and the various visual effects, has a smoothness that is virtually unheard of in this day and age. The heavily stylised fight between the adult Bambi and a rival stag is also masterfully handled in its use of rich primary colours, silhouettes and harsh lighting. Films like Bambi, Lady and the Tramp and Fantasia are proof that a great many techniques died with that particular generation of animators, and it is sobering to think that much of the technical wizardry pioneered by the Disney studio in the first half of the 20th century is gone for ever.
Disney's films tend not to inspire lengthy essays and evaluations, and as a result this review is somewhat shorter than normal. Bambi is, overall, a fine film from a technical standpoint, but unfortunately this is very much an example of the visual artistry taking precedence over the plot. The studio has been responsible for plenty of other films that are more even-handed than this in terms of the balance between technical prowess and storytelling, and while I would urge all animation devotees to see Bambi, it is far from the out-and-out classic it has been made out to be.

DVD Presentation
This 2-disc Platinum Edition is the first ever release of Bambi on DVD. Presented in its original Academy aspect ratio, the film looks decent overall but has been subjected to an extremely rigorous digital clean-up process that produces some rather nasty artefacts. Chief among these is the fact that large areas of the screen look unnaturally static, frozen in much the same way that the "pause" function works. Fine grain patterns frequently jar, only to abruptly begin moving again, creating a noticeably disconcerting effect. Furthermore, in a number of shots, parts of the screen that should be static "swim", with parts of stationary backgrounds seeming to slide around. Other than these problems, however, the image looks fantastic. The colour reproduction is absolutely perfect, there is no discernable edge enhancement, and barring a handful of unfocused shots, the level of detail is fantastic. It's a shame that so much noise reduction was applied to the image, because if more effort had been made to maintain the inherent grain structure, this would have been a reference quality transfer.
Two audio tracks are featured on the UK release: a new Dolby Digital 5.1 "Disney Enhanced Home Theatre" mix, and a cleaned-up version of the original mono recording. The US release also features an alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 mix without the "DEHT" tag, but past experience has taught me that the DEHT mixes merely sound slightly louder than their non-DEHT counterparts, so I doubt that we're missing anything particularly important. In any event, the mono track is what really matters, as it presents the film in the manner in which it was meant to be heard. The 5.1 track, in comparison, sounds highly ludicrous as it blasts the music and sound effects through all five speakers in a manner that seems wholly inappropriate. Both mixes are understandably constrained by the age of the source material, but I seriously doubt that the film has ever sounded this good before, and as a result I expect that most people will be very pleased with the audio.
None of the bonus features are subtitled, which is disappointing, although not entirely surprising, given that Disney has always had something of a varied track record as far as subtitling extras is concerned.

Extras
In terms of bonus content, Disney's Platinum Edition releases have been rather variable so far, ranging from solid (Aladdin) to downright mediocre (The Lion King). Thankfully, Bambi is closer to Aladdin than to The Lion King in terms of the quality of the extras, although as usual Disney have seen fit to include a number of pointless child-oriented activities and promotions for substandard cash-ins.
The only extra on the first disc is a 70-minute feature entitled Inside Walt's Story Meetings. In lieu of a more standard audio commentary, this interesting feature uses the detailed records taken at Bambi's various story pitch meetings as a source for what Walt Disney and his various crew members actually said. Their dialogue is narrated by a multitude of different voice actors, set to a combination of photographs, concept art and final film footage, and although at times the vocal performances stray into the realm of pure silliness, this is on the whole a very interesting and unique way to present the information. I was disappointed not to see a full audio commentary, such as the excellent one by animation historian John Canemaker on the Dumbo DVD, but this is still a nice piece of work in its own right.

Disc 2 kicks off with two Deleted Scenes. Introduced by present-day Disney animator Andreas Deja, these two scenes are presented in storyboard form with some rather grating voices narrating the dialogue.
A selection of Games and Activities has been provided for the kids, and to be absolutely honest I just don't have the patience to write about each and every one of them. The Platinum Edition collection was supposed to be a serious range for genuine animation devotees and collectors, filled with informative bonus features placing these important films in their proper historical context, not a series of virtual babysitters. Still, if you happen to have a screaming infant in need of placating, you might like to plonk them down in front of the What’s Your Season? interactive game, the Bambi’s Forest Friends DisneyPedia, or Disney Storytime: Thumper Goes Exploring. I frankly doubt that any child would actually be entertained by these, however.
The Making of Bambi: A Prince is Born is a 53-minute documentary that delves into the actual development of the film. Featuring interviews mainly of present-day Disney personnel, including veteran animator Andreas Deja, art directors Ric Sluiter and Cristy Maltese, producer Don Hahn and Pixar's John Lasseter, but also including a number of Bambi veterans, including story artists Mel Shaw and Joe Grant, background artist Tyrus Wong and a roster of animation historians, as well as archive interviews with animators Eric Larson, Milt Kahl, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnston and Marc Davis, this is a very interesting piece that does a great job of explaining what the team set out to do with the film, its main themes and a number of the technical aspects. Broken down into six separate sections relating to the story, characters, voices, art design, music and the historical context of the film, this is one of Disney's better production documentaries.
Restoring Bambi is an absolutely fascinating featurette that shows the process by which the original negative elements were digitized and remastered for this DVD. The narration, by Patrick Stewart, whose voice can be head in the upcoming Bambi cheapquel (more on that in a moment), is overly pompous and self-appraising, but the actual content is excellent which, at the end of the day, is what matters.
Up next is The Legacy Continues: A Sneak Peek at the All-New Bambi Movie, something that I really don't feel should have been included on this DVD, as it sullies the tone by attempting to place this cheaply-produced straight to video knock-off in the same class as the original film. It's sad to see great animators like Andreas Deja working on projects like this, but regrettable, with Disney management having killed off 2D feature animation, this seems to be the only sort of job someone like him can get that still allows them to work with a pencil rather than a mouse.
Disney Time Capsule: 1942: The Year of Bambi runs for four minutes and gives a fairly straightforward account of what was happening at the time that Bambi was released. There's nothing particularly revelatory on offer here, but it does give a brief glimpse of some of the war-related cartoons created by the Disney studio, which are available in their entirety on the Walt Disney on the Front Lines set.
The Art of Bambi is split into two sections: a straightforward still frame gallery, which features a large collection of concept drawings, storyboards, backgrounds, posters, character designs and behind the scenes photographs; and a slide show, which offers a condensed selection of the images in the gallery, some with optional voice-over narration explaining the purpose of the various images.
Tricks of the Trade is a brief featurette, presented by Walt Disney and orignally aired on television in 1957, which discusses the Multiplane technology used to create the various multi-level backgrounds on display in the film. This material is an excerpt of a much longer programme, available in its entirety on the Behind the Scenes at the Walt Disney Studio set.
In Inside the Disney Archives, Andreas Deja goes behind the scenes to the Animation Research Library (popularly known as the Morgue by Disney employees, but don't tell anyone), where he looks at various pieces of original artwork used in the development and production of the film itself.
Rounding out the package are the 1937 short cartoon The Old Mill, which served as early testing ground for many of the techniques put to use in Bambi, and the Original Theatrical Trailer, complete with wondefully over the top stentorian voice-over.

Overall
While Bambi has tended to be somewhat overrated, it remains an important milestone in animation history and is presented here on a 2-disc DVD set that is, for the most part, very satisfying. Although the amount of digital tomfoolery that has been applied to the transfer is quite saddening, the quality of (most of) the bonus materials is top notch. Overall, I highly recommend this latest addition to the Platinum series.
Bambi is released on 14th February 2005.
While most praise Disney for his sense of story, it is clear from offerings such as this that his primary focus was on imitating real life in infuriatingly obsessive detail. Although the primary characters are drawn in a typically exaggerated cartoon manner, their movements, and the effects animation, conform painstakingly to real life to the extent that, much of the time, Bambi feels more like an exercise in technique rather than in storytelling. That's not to say that the story isn't strong, and indeed Bambi contains a number of moments that have become iconic pieces of cinematic history - and justifiably so. The death of Bambi's mother is truly a classic moment, and one that must have been genuinely shocking for 1942 audiences accustomed to viewing animation primarily as a medium of lighthearted comedy - all the more so because of the harrowing, matter-of-fact manner in which it is treated. There is no extended scene of Bambi bawling as emotional music swells: instead, his father quietly tells him "Your mother can't be with you any more", and they walk off into the snow.

It is disappointing, therefore, that the first act spends so much time setting up the world of the film to be as close a match for reality as possible, and that the final act, in which the forest is plunged into chaos as a result of the arrival of Man, is so heavy-handed in its condemnation of human intervention. Of course, no-one could ever accuse Walt Disney of subtlety, even if he was capable of a relatively light touch where absolutely necessary (such as in the afforementioned scene in which Bambi's mother dies). However, since most of us have the sense to realise that hunting as a sport is sick and depraved, the scenes in which it is repeatedly drummed into us that Nature=Good, Man=Bad seem unneccessarily ham-fisted.
For all of these complaints, however, there is much to like about Bambi. First of all, the film's range is highly commendable. Like the later (and inferior) The Lion King, it preaches a "circle of life" message: one to which all the creatures of the forest belong, and which emphasizes that, although there is death, there is also birth, and that in the grand scheme of things all creatures, great and small, merely constitute a tiny portion of the great tapestry of existence. The fact that the film begins and ends with birth scenes that directly mirror each other (another technique cribbed in The Lion King) underscores this in a clear and down-to-earth manner. The enigma that is Bambi's father is also well-handled. While some have criticized the fact that this supposedly revered figure is so detached from the rest of the forest creatures that he is content to linger in the distance and only show up when Bambi is in real danger, he works extremely well when viewed from the perspective of a God-like figure.

Furthermore, as previously mentioned, the technical aspects of the film are excellent. The backgrounds are wonderful - a combination of rich realism and a decidedly painterly technique - and the animation, both of the characters and the various visual effects, has a smoothness that is virtually unheard of in this day and age. The heavily stylised fight between the adult Bambi and a rival stag is also masterfully handled in its use of rich primary colours, silhouettes and harsh lighting. Films like Bambi, Lady and the Tramp and Fantasia are proof that a great many techniques died with that particular generation of animators, and it is sobering to think that much of the technical wizardry pioneered by the Disney studio in the first half of the 20th century is gone for ever.
Disney's films tend not to inspire lengthy essays and evaluations, and as a result this review is somewhat shorter than normal. Bambi is, overall, a fine film from a technical standpoint, but unfortunately this is very much an example of the visual artistry taking precedence over the plot. The studio has been responsible for plenty of other films that are more even-handed than this in terms of the balance between technical prowess and storytelling, and while I would urge all animation devotees to see Bambi, it is far from the out-and-out classic it has been made out to be.

DVD Presentation
This 2-disc Platinum Edition is the first ever release of Bambi on DVD. Presented in its original Academy aspect ratio, the film looks decent overall but has been subjected to an extremely rigorous digital clean-up process that produces some rather nasty artefacts. Chief among these is the fact that large areas of the screen look unnaturally static, frozen in much the same way that the "pause" function works. Fine grain patterns frequently jar, only to abruptly begin moving again, creating a noticeably disconcerting effect. Furthermore, in a number of shots, parts of the screen that should be static "swim", with parts of stationary backgrounds seeming to slide around. Other than these problems, however, the image looks fantastic. The colour reproduction is absolutely perfect, there is no discernable edge enhancement, and barring a handful of unfocused shots, the level of detail is fantastic. It's a shame that so much noise reduction was applied to the image, because if more effort had been made to maintain the inherent grain structure, this would have been a reference quality transfer.
Two audio tracks are featured on the UK release: a new Dolby Digital 5.1 "Disney Enhanced Home Theatre" mix, and a cleaned-up version of the original mono recording. The US release also features an alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 mix without the "DEHT" tag, but past experience has taught me that the DEHT mixes merely sound slightly louder than their non-DEHT counterparts, so I doubt that we're missing anything particularly important. In any event, the mono track is what really matters, as it presents the film in the manner in which it was meant to be heard. The 5.1 track, in comparison, sounds highly ludicrous as it blasts the music and sound effects through all five speakers in a manner that seems wholly inappropriate. Both mixes are understandably constrained by the age of the source material, but I seriously doubt that the film has ever sounded this good before, and as a result I expect that most people will be very pleased with the audio.
None of the bonus features are subtitled, which is disappointing, although not entirely surprising, given that Disney has always had something of a varied track record as far as subtitling extras is concerned.

Extras
In terms of bonus content, Disney's Platinum Edition releases have been rather variable so far, ranging from solid (Aladdin) to downright mediocre (The Lion King). Thankfully, Bambi is closer to Aladdin than to The Lion King in terms of the quality of the extras, although as usual Disney have seen fit to include a number of pointless child-oriented activities and promotions for substandard cash-ins.
The only extra on the first disc is a 70-minute feature entitled Inside Walt's Story Meetings. In lieu of a more standard audio commentary, this interesting feature uses the detailed records taken at Bambi's various story pitch meetings as a source for what Walt Disney and his various crew members actually said. Their dialogue is narrated by a multitude of different voice actors, set to a combination of photographs, concept art and final film footage, and although at times the vocal performances stray into the realm of pure silliness, this is on the whole a very interesting and unique way to present the information. I was disappointed not to see a full audio commentary, such as the excellent one by animation historian John Canemaker on the Dumbo DVD, but this is still a nice piece of work in its own right.

Disc 2 kicks off with two Deleted Scenes. Introduced by present-day Disney animator Andreas Deja, these two scenes are presented in storyboard form with some rather grating voices narrating the dialogue.
A selection of Games and Activities has been provided for the kids, and to be absolutely honest I just don't have the patience to write about each and every one of them. The Platinum Edition collection was supposed to be a serious range for genuine animation devotees and collectors, filled with informative bonus features placing these important films in their proper historical context, not a series of virtual babysitters. Still, if you happen to have a screaming infant in need of placating, you might like to plonk them down in front of the What’s Your Season? interactive game, the Bambi’s Forest Friends DisneyPedia, or Disney Storytime: Thumper Goes Exploring. I frankly doubt that any child would actually be entertained by these, however.
The Making of Bambi: A Prince is Born is a 53-minute documentary that delves into the actual development of the film. Featuring interviews mainly of present-day Disney personnel, including veteran animator Andreas Deja, art directors Ric Sluiter and Cristy Maltese, producer Don Hahn and Pixar's John Lasseter, but also including a number of Bambi veterans, including story artists Mel Shaw and Joe Grant, background artist Tyrus Wong and a roster of animation historians, as well as archive interviews with animators Eric Larson, Milt Kahl, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnston and Marc Davis, this is a very interesting piece that does a great job of explaining what the team set out to do with the film, its main themes and a number of the technical aspects. Broken down into six separate sections relating to the story, characters, voices, art design, music and the historical context of the film, this is one of Disney's better production documentaries.
Restoring Bambi is an absolutely fascinating featurette that shows the process by which the original negative elements were digitized and remastered for this DVD. The narration, by Patrick Stewart, whose voice can be head in the upcoming Bambi cheapquel (more on that in a moment), is overly pompous and self-appraising, but the actual content is excellent which, at the end of the day, is what matters.
Up next is The Legacy Continues: A Sneak Peek at the All-New Bambi Movie, something that I really don't feel should have been included on this DVD, as it sullies the tone by attempting to place this cheaply-produced straight to video knock-off in the same class as the original film. It's sad to see great animators like Andreas Deja working on projects like this, but regrettable, with Disney management having killed off 2D feature animation, this seems to be the only sort of job someone like him can get that still allows them to work with a pencil rather than a mouse.
Disney Time Capsule: 1942: The Year of Bambi runs for four minutes and gives a fairly straightforward account of what was happening at the time that Bambi was released. There's nothing particularly revelatory on offer here, but it does give a brief glimpse of some of the war-related cartoons created by the Disney studio, which are available in their entirety on the Walt Disney on the Front Lines set.
The Art of Bambi is split into two sections: a straightforward still frame gallery, which features a large collection of concept drawings, storyboards, backgrounds, posters, character designs and behind the scenes photographs; and a slide show, which offers a condensed selection of the images in the gallery, some with optional voice-over narration explaining the purpose of the various images.
Tricks of the Trade is a brief featurette, presented by Walt Disney and orignally aired on television in 1957, which discusses the Multiplane technology used to create the various multi-level backgrounds on display in the film. This material is an excerpt of a much longer programme, available in its entirety on the Behind the Scenes at the Walt Disney Studio set.
In Inside the Disney Archives, Andreas Deja goes behind the scenes to the Animation Research Library (popularly known as the Morgue by Disney employees, but don't tell anyone), where he looks at various pieces of original artwork used in the development and production of the film itself.
Rounding out the package are the 1937 short cartoon The Old Mill, which served as early testing ground for many of the techniques put to use in Bambi, and the Original Theatrical Trailer, complete with wondefully over the top stentorian voice-over.

Overall
While Bambi has tended to be somewhat overrated, it remains an important milestone in animation history and is presented here on a 2-disc DVD set that is, for the most part, very satisfying. Although the amount of digital tomfoolery that has been applied to the transfer is quite saddening, the quality of (most of) the bonus materials is top notch. Overall, I highly recommend this latest addition to the Platinum series.
Bambi is released on 14th February 2005.



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If it wasn't for a mouse there probably wouldn't be a Disney studio. ;)
However, I don't like Disney abandoning 2-D animation. There is room for all types of animation and Disney are masters at what they do but need to improve on their story department which has been their weakness this last 10 years. Going totally computer won't help much if their writers are still crap.
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So, is it uncut?
I didn't realise anything was ever missing from it.
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To lyris1:
I'm not a Disney/Buena Vista representative or executive, I am just a Disney fan that is trying to knock some sence into people.
My Jens, you have changed your tune since the Mulan II review. You seem to have a strong connection to the company after all?:D
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I know this has been asked before, but are you in some way affiliated with the Walt Disney company? You saw Mulan II (or claimed you had) before it was released anywhere, and you now imply that you have had personal dealings with members of the DisneyToon Studios team. I don't doubt that these individuals are extremely nice and would love more than anything to create a good product - problem is, as long as they are restricted to rehashing past hits, this seems entirely unlikely. My experiences with the cheapquels produced by this team so far have not been good at all, so why should I expect this latest one to be any better? The clips shown looked to have some nice animation in them (they have some great animators down in Australia - I just wish they'd put them to better use), but the storyline is making me cringe already.
Andreas Deja is an exceptionally talented animator and, judging by his appearances on these DVDs, a very nice man too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to love everything his hand has touched. He deserves better than to be attached to a lame cash-in like this.
Hey, don't mistake me, I'd love to be wrong about Bambi and the Great Prince of the Forest (what a terrible name!), but experience has taught me that Disney's cheapquels have about as much chance of being even remotely good as pigs have of flying. At any rate, though, I'd be extremely surprised if it's quite as bad as Mulan II.
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Anyway, you are actually contradicting yourself. You say you'd love to be wrong about Bambi and the Great Prince of the Forest, but in fact you have no intention what so ever to give it a chance in the future. It's just too late for people like you to understand what TYPE of movies these are. These DO NOT TRY to overwhelm the original movie and they certainly DO NOT TRY to provide us with feature-quality stories and animation. You just have to lower yourself on that very high ladder of Disney quality (including feature animation) to a lower level that is called "The DisneyToon Studios Productions". As much as I am a fan of their work (and especially most recent work), I know that their movies are not always brilliant and they do have their glitches and plotholes. But PLEASE, oh PLEASE do not forget that these are made with a low budget. Dick Cook even said it on the meeting last monday that they are getting way more back from the sales than the production costs!
The point is, as much as I agree with you that the Disney Company sees these DTV titles as quick cash-in's, I am absolutly sure that the DisneyToon Studios folks only try to do their best with the budget they get. Bashing them just like this is not a really nice thing to do, not even for a critic and especially when the movie hasn't even been released yet. That's just proof of a pre-chosen opinion you have and will always have about the so called "cheapquels". I don't think you will EVER lose it...
I rest my case (But I'm willing to give you arguments about any other stuff you say too).
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I have a few connections with the DisneyToon Studios, but I have not met them in person. I HAVE heard that they are the nicest and most creative people in the whole company though.
So it's just hearsay? I must say that to try and make me feel bad about treating these films harshly by saying that they are made by nice people is a pretty cheap tactic. I'm in the business of reviewing the films, not the people who made them.
Anyway, you are actually contradicting yourself. You say you'd love to be wrong about Bambi and the Great Prince of the Forest, but in fact you have no intention what so ever to give it a chance in the future.
If it is released and turns out to be good, I will quite happily eat my own words. The odds are stacked against it, though, given Disney's track record with these sequels. My impression of it is based on what I have seen of it in this brief "sneak peek", and what I saw was not pleasant.
It's just too late for people like you to understand what TYPE of movies these are. These DO NOT TRY to overwhelm the original movie and they certainly DO NOT TRY to provide us with feature-quality stories and animation.
Funny. From what those who are involved with this sequel were saying during this preview, that is exactly what they are trying to do. More fool them.
You just have to lower yourself on that very high ladder of Disney quality (including feature animation) to a lower level that is called "The DisneyToon Studios Productions". As much as I am a fan of their work (and especially most recent work), I know that their movies are not always brilliant and they do have their glitches and plotholes. But PLEASE, oh PLEASE do not forget that these are made with a low budget.
Low budget by whose standards? They are made for much less money than Disney's Feature Animation efforts, undoubtedly, but that in itself is no excuse, and given what people like Sylvain Chomet have been able to achieve with just $8 million on Les Triplettes de Belleville, which urinates from a great height on just about everything Disney has done in the last 10 years, feature, DTV or otherwise, I find it ludicrous that you suggest that these films should in some way be "forgiven" of their flaws because the producers had less money to work with. As I said before, I am not in the business of handing out more generous ratings based on the notion that the makers seemingly had fewer resources to work with.
Dick Cook even said it on the meeting last monday that they are getting way more back from the sales than the production costs!
That says a lot both about the gullibility of the public (and soccer moms, who will generally buy anything with the Disney logo on it in order to keep their kids quiet for a couple of hours) and about the way Disney views its fanbase. Of course, all corporations are, at the end of the day, concerned with profits first and foremost, but I find it odd that you are seemingly pointing to this admission of the profits being made as if that was a signifier of the quality of the product.
The point is, as much as I agree with you that the Disney Company sees these DTV titles as quick cash-in's, I am absolutly sure that the DisneyToon Studios folks only try to do their best with the budget they get.
Agreed. And I would love to see them go on to bigger and better things. I don't see it happening, however.
Bashing them just like this is not a really nice thing to do, not even for a critic and especially when the movie hasn't even been released yet.
"Nice" doesn't come into it. I am reviewing an end product here, and I can only tell people what I honestly think about what I am reviewing. I take no pleasure in laying into a poor quality movie - I do this job because I love watching and writing about movies. I don't get paid to do this (I generally don't even get to keep the review discs Disney sends me), so you can probably imagine how it feels to have to sit through an ultimately poor film and then spend a good deal of time writing about it, with no prospect of "compensation" of any kind.
To be honest I don't think that this thread is the best place for this discussion, as it seems to have arisen entirely from a single paragraph focusing on a solitary 10-minute bonus feature. It's not as if I have assigned a rating to Bambi II - I simply gave my opinions of it based on the brief glimpse I got of it and of DisneyToon Studios' track record. In any event, you'll probably be pleased to know that, in future, I very much doubt I will be picking up any Disney cheapquels for review. To me, they're simply not worth the effort, and I find it highly unlikely that this will change as long as what DisneyToon produces is dictated by marketing executives and managers intent on finding the most hassle-free way of making a quick buck.
PS. I find it interesting that you haven't attacked my criticism of the Games & Activities section of this set. I'm sure someone pours their heart and soul into creation those too... :p
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Is the Walt Story Meeting a seperate feature or is it the movie set to a commentary with a little box in the corner featuring photos and footage?:confused:
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Is the Walt Story Meeting a seperate feature or is it the movie set to a commentary with a little box in the corner featuring photos and footage?
It essentially plays the movie out with commentary playing on the audio and various images whizzing about all over the screen. It lasts about the same length as the movie normally would (slightly longer, actually, due to it being an NTSC -> PAL standards conversion).
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