Blu-ray Disc Association London Press Conference
13-02-2008 22:20 | 6143 views | David Mackenzie | Show Backlinks
Yesterday (Tuesday February 12th, 2008), the Blu-ray Disc Association invited a selection of journalists and industry insiders to London for a press conference, which was arranged to mark the sale of 2 million Blu-ray Discs across Europe. The event was held in 3Rooms, a swanky East End apartment-styled venue which was set up to promote the Playstation brand, but is home to all sorts of events. Being Sony's homely pad, it was appropriately decked out with BRAVIA HDTVs (mainly KDL-46X2000s, if you're curious), and their VPL-VW100 1080p projector, which were demonstrating Blu-ray demo reels.
Disney's Stephen Foulser initiated the proceedings and explained that following CES and the announcement that Warner Home Video would be phasing out support for the HD DVD format, sales of Blu-ray hardware and software in the USA had soared to sky-high levels. And, as such, the BDA's focus is quite rightly now on how to grow Blu-ray Disc, rather than how to compete against its quickly-fading rival. However, he noted, the situation with HD in Europe is still quite different to the US, where HD broadcasts are plentiful. Blu-ray Disc, he said, is poised to fill Europe's HD content gap.
The press conference actually wasn't a press conference in the traditional sense, because after this brief introduction, we were encouraged to walk around freely and talk to the various representatives and executive, rather than sit down and take notes.
Bootup time a priority for Sharp
Sharp were on hand demonstrating their Blu-ray Disc player, the AQUOS BD-HP20H, bravely pitting it against the ever-popular Playstation 3. I specifically asked Sharp when we'd see Blu-ray Players that were as quick to operate as current DVD players, because the slow boot-up times of most BD (and HD DVD) players is a slight annoyance for me. I was glad to hear that this unit takes only 15 seconds. So unusual is this fast boot-up time that Sharp actively promote the feature in the player's marketing blurb, and mention that it's the fastest in the industry for a dedicated BD Player.
Hitachi's Blu-ray camcorders
Hitachi were also present, demonstrating their Blu-ray Disc camcorders. I've always found this interesting, because I've always considered BD a format for cinephiles to watch feature films or TV shows on, rather than shoot their own home movies. Given that the PS3 is currently competing a little bit too well against dedicated Blu-ray players, though, it's perhaps not suprising that Hitachi have instead chosen to fill this empty gap in the format. Either way, it's good to see more devices using the technology.
Explaining the superiority of their camcorders, Hitachi's representative reminded me that Hitachi's unit records in Full HD (1920x1080i) and stores the result on a BD-R (recordable) or BD-RE (rewritable) disc utilising AVC/MPEG-4 compression, and most importantly, the resultant discs will play in any Blu-ray Disc player in the same way that a Hollywood film would. By comparison, another disc-based HD consumer recording solution is the AVCHD format, which records 1440x1080 MPEG-4 video onto a red-laser DVD disc, which will only play on AVCHD compatible DVD players. Not unreasonably, Hitachi assumed that this mish-mash of standards would cause confusion ("why does this DVD not play on my DVD player?"), so took the more direct route. As someone who's used standard-def broadcast cameras, I have to say that the images being played from Hitachi's device were very impressive indeed, so look forward to seeing more of the same from them.
The studios talk
Disney's presentation flew the Blu flag even moreso than Sony's. From this reel, you really get the perception that they are 110% committed to the format. It lasted for a long time and was the only reel to specifically name all of the other studios also backing Blu-ray Disc. It also specifically and openly mentioned HD DVD, and trumpeted BD's superior capacity and data transfer rate. Not only this, but it acknowledged customers' fear of backing the losing format, and explained that they should worry no longer, safe in the knowledge that they have "picked the right format" (I believe those were the exact words).
All of this talk of competition was followed quickly by a shot of an aircraft exploding, crashing and burning, taken from PEARL HARBOR. Oh Disney, you sly devils! It's a shame that I don't have a copy to share here (copyright reasons), because Disney should really show this to people other than the press. Disney then reminded us that SLEEPING BEAUTY is due on BD later this year, and again reiterated that this is "a statement of intent to the product" (that is, Disney thinks Blu-ray is worthy of such a classic title).
Bob from the BDA Press Office then walked in and briefly mentioned Toshiba's recent promotion of their HD DVD players' upscaling features, but then made the difficult-to-contest point that the Playstation 3 is "the best SD upscaler, bar none", before adding "I want to make that very clear". (The quality of the scaling in the PS3 is very impressive, without a doubt, so this argument does indeed blow a rather large hole in Toshiba's strategy from a quality perspective).
Downloadable movies, and more Disney
Before leaving, I talked to David from Fox, and discussed Downloadable movies with him. A number of sites seem to think that this is the future of home video delivery. I told him that the idea of over-compressed, region-restricted, non-physical films replacing hard copies on disc made me want to retch (although not in those exact words). David's answer put a huge smile on my face, because he told me that although Fox recognises downloads as a new route which they support, every piece of research they've commissioned has came to the conclusion that packaged media will be around for a long time yet. Issues of bandwidth and speed, in particular, are why the studio's latest releases featuring managed digital copy (where the user can store a portable copy of the film on their iPod) have done so by copying from disc, rather than over the web. On top of that, David also acknowledged the desire to own a physical product rather than paying to watch a virtual one.
Lastly, I spoke to Stephen from Disney, and bugged him about when we'd see more 2D Disney movies on BD (live action, live shmacktion). As most people will be aware, Disney operates on an unusual cycle whereby their classic movies are released and then re-released approximately every seven years (Disney's US division uses the term "Going back into the Disney vault"). From now on, though, all of Disney's 2D classics will be released on DVD as well as BD, simultaneously. (Personally, I'd really like to see certain titles from Disney's Florida feature animation division appear sooner rather than later). When asked, I mentioned that my favourite Blu-ray Disc so far is, appropriately enough, RATATOUILLE (because it actually is, not because I was speaking to a Disney rep!), which incidentally has just appeared on these shores. Not only is it a fantastic film, but while watching it, the quality of the compression is so good that it's almost hard to believe that you're watching lossy compressed video at all. I asked Stephen if he was aware of the specifics behind the video transfer, which involved Rick Sayre, a Pixar employee who was not only involved in making the film, but is also supposedly something of a home theatre fan. "That wouldn't surprise me", he said, noting that Pixar like to keep things under control at all times.
I left the event, glad to see that Sony, as well as the other studios - most notably Disney - were so confident with the direction things are heading in. Not only that, but I'm glad that we're coming closer than ever to a single-format world. No matter how affordable or excellent HD DVD could also be, one format is the only way forward. Hopefully, the BDA can convince enough customers that their "Upconverting" DVD players are no match for a proper High Definition disc format, and that they should feed their HD-starved display some Blu-ray Disc.


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Awww, that's made me feel all warm inside, haha :D
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I'd love to ask them about region coding, incomplete profiles, crap exclusive titles and having to pay more than a HD DVD player to get these aforementioned problems.
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Nice article David.
I've not had a chance to read it all yet but I hope someone spoke to Disney and the like and pointed out adding region coding to your discs is a quick way to annoy the European consumer.
I also hope someone asked them why Profile 1.1 has taken so long and even that will be superseded by Profile 2.0. They deserve to feel really embarrassed about this stuff up.
Since when was 1920x1080i FULL HD?
I'd have thought Hard Disk camcorders would supersede BD Camcorders but then again the ability to have more than one disc while on holiday is useful.
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Chris, Tony: I think you know exactly how I personally feel about Region Coding. I'm sick of it. The last time I saw the BDA I hammered this home. Fox are actually the ones using it the most. I told David from Fox how much I despised not being able to watch 99% of the movies on Xbox Live because of getting a "Sorry you don't live in America" message.
BTW, 1920x1080i is still Full HD - it's just that there's smoother motion than there would be in a 24p Film source, but it's represented with Interlacing rather than full frames. For Progressive Scan video, a camcorder will typically just slice one of the fields out and leave jaggies (you see this effect often on UK Drama shows and I think it looks hideous personally), so in that regard, I'm actually GLAD that this camcorder is 1080i.
If they could do 1080p/24 and do it in a fully progressive way, like a professional Film camera, though.... :)
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What did Fox say to that?
I'd like to hear what they think about it most, seeing as like you say they're one of the biggest (if not the biggest) culprit of region coding.
Was anything said about how they plan to end all the Profile woes?
Regarding FULL HD I thought 1920x1080i was HD Ready and 1920x1080p FULL HD, no?
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"HD Ready" typically describes an HDTV panel that falls short of 1920x1080 pixels - usually they're 1366x768. To get the full resolution out of 1080i, you still need those 1920x1080 pixels - even if some gaps need to be filled in by the Deinterlacing.
Fox didn't address any region issues, but said there's no sign of packaged media disappearing. (And packaged media fits nicely in an air mail bag :) - my comment, not theirs!)
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Thanks
What does packaged media disappearing have to do with region coding?
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Try buying a movie from the American Xbox Live service. You can't - the system detects where you are geographically and locks you out :(
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Thanks. I don't get what that's got to do with packaged media, but anyway it's not important.
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Great coverage David!
Indeed, Disney has been the true Blu torch-carrier, not SONY. And yes, the future belongs to one format, one market, and a united family of distribs.
Ciao,
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Again, lots of talk about the positives, but they studios aren't acknowledging the negatives, which have already been mentioned. BTW, the UK release of Resident Evil: Extinction does look exceptionally good. I had a copy about a month ago and it's the best looking film I've seen on BD so far. Pity about the film though.
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Now all I need is for the PS3 to drop to around the £200 mark and I'll be buying into Blu-ray because as much as I would have liked HD-DVD to succeed I have to admit Blu-ray looks to be the winner. How often do you see an advert for a new DVD which mentions 'also available on blu-ray' (most of them) compared with seeing the same for HD-DVD releases which are almost never promoted. It's no wonder Blu won as the HD-DVD Promotion Group have been asleep at the wheel for so long! HD-DVD may now be at mass market prices but if Joe Public is not even aware it exists what chance does it have..
I for one welcome our new Blu overlords as one format is quite obviously the way to go even if Europe does have a different region overlord to the US which is my one main bugbear with the format... That and the constantly moving spec which is why I'm waiting on a PS3 pricecut..
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"BRAVIA HDTVs (mainly KDL-46X2000s, if you're curious)" - I wonder why they weren't all their new flagship X3500 models?
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Probably money :D The X3500s look superficially similar and probably do as good a job with 1080p video, so I wouldn't be in a rush to replace 'em either.
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Regarding physical vs. virtual media:
I'm guessing we're all of a certain age to much prefer physical media and also probably film collectors so what I think may turn out to be nonsense, but while I can see perfectly well why downloaded music has been such a success I don't think this will immediately transfer over to films.
Most people listen to music while doing something else, they're not collectors of music and don't care if it's an MP3 or CD, they don't care if they're using their car speakers, laptop speakers or decent Hifi speakers they just want to hear it. This doesn't translate well to film because while someone may not care how they listen to music that doesn't mean they're going to sit at their PC/Mac to watch a movie (some would but most won't), people expect to watch films on their TV. They expect to enjoy them on their HDTV, sit down and forget about life for 2 hours. HTPCs are just not there yet to be a viable solution (for the mass market) to this problem. The learning curve to stream media or even setup a HTPC is too great.
Until Home Cinema Separates shaped HTPCs become more of a common place (and most are still IT - PC/MAC shaped) and a subscription service exists that downloads movies straight to it I cannot see this changing, even then are most people going to want to buy a new bit of kit to handle this? Maybe but the marketing drive to convince people will need to be much, much better. The odd PC World advert isn't going to change things.
Add to that while Broadband speed is what it is (to stream movies for a mass market you're going to need much more than the 8Mb norm. than we have today) and while the HTPC is what it is physical media for films isn't going anywhere.
People largely still collect films but the number of people who collect music is getting less and less.
I'm an old fuddy duddy (at age 29) that I still collect CDs and doubt I'll ever move completely over to virtual music. A CD I can rip to lossy MP3 and also listen to in my HiFi at it's full quality, this isn't possible on virtual music (or at least not half as easily).
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The big guys seem to agree with you Tony, people don't want to watch films on their computer. I think Microsoft found that when they put movies on the Xbox Live Marketplace. Sony I believe operate something similar (or will do) for the PS3.
But those are rental services. Neither let you keep the film (well, not unless you have the technical know how and want to break the law). I agree with you about learning curves though, even if one doesn't really exist, there's still a perceived one.
Thanks. I don't get what that's got to do with packaged media, but anyway it's not important.
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Oh right thanks. I would say that's more to do with the number of people interested in it compared to how good the protection is.
I think Microsoft found that when they put movies on the Xbox Live Marketplace.
How lacklustre has the uptake been? I actually forgot about the Xbox 360 and PS3 when I made that post. You'd think those would be ideal (or at least closert to ideal) platforms for downloading movies.
I guess the trouble here is when you're talking about renting movies you have to compete with the likes of Blockbuster who probably have a much wider selection. When people rent movies (unlike buying them) they don't always know what they want and quite like walking around the shop for 5-10 minutes deciding what to rent, this isn't quite the same browsing though endless lists online.
Even those who do rent DVDs online do so using a dedicated service which I suspect has a much wider selection than what was on offer at Xbox Live and Playstation Live.
The renting experience is very different from the buying one, you just
want to watch the film once then that's it. That would suit the consoles very
well indeed.
I guess here it comes down to the selection of titles. A list of 10, 20 or even 100 titles isn't enough. If the selection was vast people may be interested in renting a movie from their PS3 of Xbox 360. Given time and market awareness of the service, neither Live Services have really been given any awareness in the media.
The other problem being both Microsoft and Sony have pushed their prospective machines as Games Consoles and Sony on top as a Blu-ray Player. Neither have really pushed either as Media Centres or conduits to rent movies. In Sony's case it would be bizarre to on the one hand advertise it as being THE High Definition Blu-ray Player then at the same time say "Are you interested in downloading movies? Oh but wait they're only Standard Definition, sorry".
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You're better off renting from LoveFilm, obviously they don't have American releases, but it saves you money if you watch it only once.
I hope you told them that releasing BDs without the extras that were on DVDs is disheartening.