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8th December 2003 - Country:
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110 / 138 minutes - Screen Format:
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2 / 1 / Dual - Soundtracks:
English Dolby Digital 5.1 - Subtitles:
English - Special Features:
Featurettes
Multi-Angle Scene
Time Lapse Scene
Photo Galleries - Distributor:
20th Century Fox
Alien Quadrilogy: Alien 3
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One of the things that makes the Alien series so interesting is the way different directors have approached the material. Ridley Scott made a good old fashioned monster movie with new-fangled visual SF trappings; James Cameron made a "guys on a mission" movie with the difference that one of the guys was a woman; Jean-Pierre Jeunet made a hugely idiosyncratic black comedy; and David Fincher, in his feature debut, made Alien 3, a Science Fiction movie in which the concepts are stronger than the execution.
It's not surprising that Alien 3 received such a slating from fans and critics, since it is so different in tone and content to the two films that preceded it that it might as well be no relation to them. Rarely has the term "interesting failure" been so appropriate - this film is borderline terrible in places, but it's also totally fascinating.
THE FOLLOWING REVIEW CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR ALIEN 3

During the opening credits, we see the Sulaco crash land on the planet Fiorina "Fury" 161. Ellen Ripley (Weaver) survives, but both Hicks and Newt have been killed. We have seen the presence of a face-hugger on the vessel, and there are signs of alien life amongst the wreckage. Immediately, this beginning alienates all those in the audience who liked the touchy-feely aspects of Aliens, as it denies the happy family ending of the second film. If Ripley found another daughter in Cameron's film, she loses her at the start of this one. The mood is downbeat from the first scenes, and becomes increasingly grim as the narrative unwinds. However, am I the only viewer who was delighted to see the back of the irritatingly bland Hicks and the sickmakingly cute Newt ? Even better, the horribly sentimental mother/daughter relationship is shattered right at the start. That put me in a good mood with the film right from the word go.
Fiorina 161 is a prison planet, in which criminals were sent to work in the huge mineral ore refinery. It is, in fact, owned by Weyland-Yutani, the universal conglomerate which sent the Nostromo up into space in the first place. Times being hard, the planet now has only 25 inhabitants, including prisoners and a skeleton staff. The inmates were offered the chance to move elsewhere, but a small number decided to remain on "Fury" in a sort of monastic isolation, which has been an escape from their pasts as violent rapists and murderers.

All of this is quite fascinating - a great SF setting which is convincing and unusual. Ripley is the only woman in the place, and naturally causes something of a stir amongst the inmates, none of whom have seen a woman for a long time. In order to stave off a lice infestation, and to make her less feminine, she shaves her head. What she lacks, along with the superintendent Andrews (Glover) and his hopeless deputy (Ralph Brown), is a barcode identifying her status. This is the only idea left from the treatment written by noted postmodernist author William Gibson. Most of the cast are recognisable Brit actors - Paul McGann, Pete Postlethwaite, Danny Webb - none of whom make much of an impact. Charles Dance is, however, exceptionally good as the prison doctor, Clemens, who becomes very friendly indeed with Ripley. Brian Glover is, however, typically enjoyable as the appallingly pompous warden who meets a most gratifying end.
There are some potent scenes in the first half of the film. Ripley weeping over Newt's death and saying "Forgive me" to her corpse; the autopsy in which Newt's lungs oddly resemble a gestating alien; the awesomely impressive cremation in the huge furnace. This last scene is intercut with the emergence of the alien, which has infected a cow. Rather than the overgrown cuttlefish of the first film, this alien is oddly vulnerable - shivering, bewildered and almost pitiable - and it seems right that we get, for the first time in the series, an alien POV shot straight afterwards.

Come to think of it, there are more scenes from the alien's point of view in this film than in the other three films in the series, suggesting an entirely different approach to the alien than the monstrous killing machine of the other films. This approach is, sadly, like so much of the film, not really explored as well as it should have been.
Indeed, the film remains strong for about an hour and ten minutes. Ripley and Clemens form a touching relationship, based on mutual need, and Dance's confession of his past misdeeds is a very touching moment. Ripley also finds some support from Dillon (Dutton) - an intimidating black prisoner who seems to be the leader of the trappist cult. Dillon is a great character; tough, prickly and unsentimental, and Charles S. Dutton makes the part work by refusing to go for easy sympathy. It's interesting to see a Hollywood film in which all but four main characters are social outcasts who only begin to respond to Ripley when she becomes an outcast herself.
The problem in the first two thirds of the film is that the character and mood scenes are much better than the rather half-hearted alien attacks. The first death scene - a man stumbles into a fan after being attacked - is gory but perfunctory stuff, and the second big set-piece, an attack in the abandoned mining tunnels, is tense but paced too slowly to be exciting. There's only one scene in which an alien attack has any emotional resonance, and that is the highpoint of the film. After Clemens confesses his morphine addiction which led to his exile to Fury, the alien kills him in a nicely edited moment signalled by the hysteria of Golic, a mentally unbalanced inmate, played by Paul McGann. Then, the alien moves close to a terrified Ripley, moves its head close to her face and stays there for a few seconds, as if trying to communicate something. It's a nightmarish scene, executed with real brilliance by Fincher, and nothing else in the film begins to match it for effectiveness.

The last third of the film is mostly cat and mouse between the alien and the inmates. This is sometimes confusing and always derivative. The silly chasing about is rather tiresome, but the climax of the film is redeemed somewhat by Weaver's performance as Ripley. Her own infection by the alien is both poignant and touching, signalled by the nosebleed which begins as the alien is born. The scene where she goes into the neuroscanner and sees the alien foetus in her chest is unforgettable, and when she sees her "baby" the film suddenly opens all sorts of possibilities, none of which are really explored. Perhaps Ripley and the Alien are now two sides of the same coin, each needing the other to define them; at one point, she says "You've been in my life so long I can hardly remember anything else", and her fatalism is what makes the last part of the film work when it should, by rights, be falling apart.

The "big finish" of the film, Ripley character apart, is grossly inadequate, suggesting that Fincher's grasp of structure is not as strong as his grasp of character - Seven had problems when considered as a serial killer move, but it worked because it was basically a philosophical mood piece disguised as a conventional thriller. Locked in a traditional SF narrative, Fincher can't seem to find the enthusiasm to bring life to the clichés. However, what he does achieve is a level of emotional intensity that you don't expect in an "Alien" film, tossing out provocative ideas with abandon. That he doesn't do much with most of these issues is a shame, but at least there's some ambition there in the first place.
The film constantly looks marvellous. Alex Thomson's moody lighting is exactly what is required and the production design by Norman Reynolds is totally convincing. Elliot Goldenthal's music is also a definite strength, adding an epic quality which lifts the film when it threatens to get bogged down in endless dialogue exchanges and confusing chase scenes. As for the special effects, they range from excellent to disappointing. There isn't much pyrotechnic mayhem, unlike the second film, because a major plot point is that there are no heavy weapons on Fiorina 161 (rendering the film a dead duck for Cameron fans eager for more firepower). The physical effects are fine, and the alien looks pretty good when it is done by traditional methods. However, the moment CGI takes over, it looks exactly like a computer generated special effect - the same goes for the attempts to render the windblown, debris-strewn surface of the planet.

It has been said that Alien 3 doesn't belong in the Alien series. This strikes me as a woefully small-minded point of view. I'm happy to admit that the film is deeply flawed but to say it doesn't belong is idiotic. Any series of films has to evolve and the evolution doesn't necessarily have to be in a straight line. Aliens, with its large-scale action scenes and sentimental subplot, has very little in common in style or contact with Ridley Scott's original film but that might be why it's been so successful. Most sequels are content to repeat but none of the Alien films settle for this. Alien 3 is a different film in every respect from its predecessors but it takes the story of Ripley and the Alien in a fascinating new direction which few people could have predicted. In terms of the relationship between woman and monster, it's considerably more thoughtful and intelligent that it's been given credit for being, and I am personally very pleased that this approach was taken rather than a repeat of Cameron's pyrotechnics.
It's probably impossible to rehabilitate Alien 3, and it's hard not to admit that there's more ambition than success. But the characterisation of the film is much stronger than it's been given credit for being, the ideas - especially those involving Ripley's relationship with the Alien - are interesting, and the film is certainly not the disaster we have been led to believe. I suspect I am one of very few people in the world to prefer it to Aliens, but then I find that film loud, silly and overbearing in the extreme. However, having said that, it's certainly not a match for Ridley Scott's extraordinary Alien.
The Special Edition
Those of us who have always carried the torch for Alien 3 had hoped that the restoration of the extensive deleted material might turn it into the classic we suspected it could have been. Sadly, this hope is not entirely fulfilled in this re-edited version of the film. However, the added material strengthens the characterisation, adds much to the emotional impact of the film and makes some of the concepts clearer. Some fine moments are included, notably a lovely moment when Clemens asks Ripley if Newt was her daughter. The end result is that the film becomes stronger in terms of being a ‘hard’ science fiction film but not much better as a scary movie or an action extravaganza.
There is approximately 30 minutes of material added. It has been re-edited by the DVD producers after Fincher refused to have anything to do with it. I actually think that this version makes it all the clearer that this is the work of the same man who made Seven - visually it’s a good match with that movie – and demonstrates that he’s not a director who is willing to endlessly replay the same old genre clichés.
The key additions to the first half are as follows:
- Dillon begins the meeting with a prayer.
- Clemens asks Ripley if Newt was her daughter.
- Two abattoir workers discuss Ripley and the dead cow – the confusing dog scenes have vanished.
- Ripley replies to Clemens’ assertion that she is very direct with “I’ve been out here for a long time”
- Dillon asks other prisoners to light a candle for Murphy, the first victim.
- A much longer scene between Clemens and Andrews
- A scene explaining how Golic gets to the infirmary
- Golic explains the madness of the world
- Golic expresses approval of the alien’s killing of Clemens as “Magnificent”
However, most of the additional footage comes in the second half, once the plan to trap the alien in the tunnels is underway. It would take too much space – and spoil some of the excellent material – to give this away but it’s enough to make a few general points. Ripley’s relationship with the prisoners is given a lot more depth and the duplicity of Weyland-Yutani is once again made clear. Golic’s role as the alien’s would-be protector is much more obvious and there is some good stuff of him going off the deep-end. There’s some excellent material which makes Ripley’s connection to Dillon more complex and Ralph Brown’s nicely understated portrayal of 85 is made more prominent towards the end. Most of all, Ripley’s increasingly suicidal frame of mind is made very explicit and her interrelationship with the alien is made very clear. The scenes between Ripley and Bishop’s creator are particularly improved. Generally speaking, the finale is paced slightly more slowly and is more emotionally satisfying. The final moments are also significantly different and the chestburster scene has vanished, which I think is a shame.

This extended version is a much more satisfying and complex film, and a significant part of the Alien series. It’s a well acted, fiercely intelligent film which passes the basic SF test in that it creates a convincing world and then plays out a story which thinks big and tries ambitious concepts that don’t always work but always exercise the mind. It also looks sensational. The main problem with the film remains that it doesn’t even begin to work as a horror film and the attempts to scare the audience are woefully obvious and repetitious. But anyone who liked the theatrical cut of the film is bound to like this version even more and those who dismissed it really should give it another look. In fact, the more I watch it, the more I think that – regardless of its debatable merits as an Alien film – this is one of the most interesting Science Fiction films of the past twenty years.
The Disc
Both versions of the film are presented in anamorphic 2.35:1. The picture quality is generally excellent, rich in subtle colour shadings and beautifully full, deep blacks. Plenty of detail is on display and I didn't notice the softness which some reviewers have complained about on the R1 release. There are some artifacts visible here and there but virtually no grain. The level of detail is high throughout. Particularly impressive is the fact that the restored material in the special edition is just as good as the rest of the film. This is a high compliment to Charles de Lauzirika and his DVD team.
The soundtrack for both the theatrical cut and the special edition is English Dolby Digital 5.1. It's an excellent track, thoroughly involving and packed with good surround moments. The chase through the tunnels is absolutely marvellous. The .1 LFE is used to good effect as well. Dialogue is clear and the interestingly subtle music comes across very strongly. A DTS mix would have been nice but there's nothing wrong with this 5.1 track. The quality of the sound on the newly added scenes is slightly variable and sometimes the dialogue is not as audible as it is during the rest of the film. However, considerng the achievement of DVD production which this extended version represents, this is a very minor criticism.
The main extra on this first disc is a frank and thoughtful audio commentary from a range of participants. The major omission is David Fincher, who decided that he didn't want to relive an experience which is obviously still painful - and it's not hard to see why when you get through the extras on this disc. The participants are Terry Rawlings - the editor of this film and the first one - Alex Thomson, Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff, Richard Edlund, Paul McGann and Lance Henrikson. This is carefully edited and very interesting, although there's obviously little that isn't dealt with elsewhere on the disc.
THIS COMMENTARY IS ONLY AVAILABLE ON THE THEATRICAL CUT AND NOT ON THE SPECIAL EDITION.
The menus are beautifully designed and easy to navigate. The film and commentary are both subtitled in English. The theatrical cut has 32 chapter stops and the special edition has 44.
Disc 2
As with the other DVDs in the Quadrilogy, the bulk of the extras are contained on the second disc. You are given the usual option to either watch all the featurettes together as one long documentary or to explore the extras in three stages; Pre-Production, Production and Post-Production.
Pre-Production
One of the main problems with Alien 3, as I’ve mentioned above, is that there was no agreement upon a final draft screenplay when David Fincher began shooting. This first section of the second disc explores the ideas that were developed before Fincher came along and explains why they were largely discarded.
“Development: Concluding the Story” deals with the lengthy process of getting to the first day of shooting. Most Hollywood films take a while to go through a proper pre-production process but Alien 3 epitomises a particular kind of suicidal tendency among otherwise intelligent studio executives. Having gone through a variety of writers – including the noted SF author William Gibson – and given the project to Renny Harlin, Fox expected great things to emerge. But they seem to have expected this to happen with no real support for Harlin, who struggled for some time to find a concept that might excite some interest. His real interest lay in going back to the planet where the Alien came from or, alternatively – as the first teaser trailer suggests – bringing the fight back to Earth. However, Harlin was fighting a losing battle with a studio that wanted something big but had didn’t have the vision to accept anything new. He left, dejected and cynical, and was replaced by Vincent Ward, the New Zealander responsible for the arthouse hit The Navigator. Ward’s idea was to set the film on a medieval-style wooden planet, something which the executives didn’t like but were willing to go along with in the absence of anything better. But as Ward got into pre-production and vast amounts of money began to go into building the sets in London, the studio got cold feet and sent Ward a list of major changes that were required. He realised that his own vision was never going to make it onto the screen and left, just as depressed as Harlin. When you hear the whole sorry story it becomes easier to understand why Alien 3 turned out like it did. Basically, you’ve got people at the top spending money on a concept they know they aren’t going to use and then proceeding with the project despite not having a script because they’re committed to a release date. It’s insanity.
“Tales of the Wooden Planet: Vincent Ward’s Vision” is a fascinating insight into how the film might have been had Ward been given the chance to make it. His idea was for a wooden planet upon which refugees from Earth live like monks in a low-technological medieval environment. Their interpretation of the alien as a devil which has been brought by Ripley, who crashlands the Sulaco on the planet, would have led to some extraordinary visuals as they tried to destroy the ‘devil’ with scythes in a corn field. Some of his conceptual art is also included and it is truly extraordinary. It’s entirely possible that this would have been a white elephant of a film, the Exorcist II The Heretic of the “Alien” series but it would certainly have been interesting to watch.
“Pre-Production III” looks at the arrival of David Fincher as the new director. Relatively unknown and experienced only in commercials and rock videos, Fincher managed to charm the Fox suits and the producers into giving him the opportunity. But rarely has a chalice been more poisoned than this one. For a start, there wasn’t a script. Fincher didn’t want to do Ward’s draft but some ideas were kept. Walter Hill and David Giler spent many hours rewriting to produce something resembling a shooting script but throughout the shoot, changes kept being made. One can only imagine that the hope was that it would all get pulled together in the editing process. In short, the project began in chaos; enormous sets being built based on a script that kept changing; an inexperienced director being harassed at every turn by a desperate studio; beautiful storyboards that were impractical to shoot.
These storyboards can be sampled in an archive which is fascinating and rather sad. It’s easy to see that Fincher could have made something truly memorable if he’d had the time and the money. However, they also show a disdain for practical resources which reveal his inexperience in feature film making. There is also some conceptual art of the exterior of the planet and the interior of the mining colony. This is peculiarly unexciting, especially compared to the similar gallery on the Alien disc.
Much more interesting, and genuinely touching, is a feature called “Xeno-Erotic: H.R.Giger’s Re-Design” which deals with Giger’s abortive commission to design an ‘erotic Alien’. As the featurette demonstrates, it was a ludicrous idea but Giger, to his credit, gave it his all and came up with something which is at least as interesting as it is risible. Sadly, much hard work led to nothing as it was decided that his designs would take too much time and cost too much money to implement. The only significant thing of his that remains is the design of the ‘Bambi’ Alien, unsteady on its feet immediately after the birth.
Production
The first featurette in this section is called, appropriately, “Production: Part 1”, and it concerns what appears to be the chaotic beginnings of the shoot. Alec Gillis, one of the effects team, says “It was a tough shoot” which would appear to be an early contender for understatement of the century. Working in the depths of the nightmare British winter of 1990/91, without a proper script or even a finished design for the alien – quite apart from an agreed accent for Paul McGann – Fincher was forced to try and make bricks out of straw. That he came out with anything is something of a miracle and it’s hard not to view the film with a renewed respect when you see the circumstances of its production. I don’t think you can really blame Fincher or even Ezra Swerdlow, the fixer sent in by the studio, for the chaos. It’s down to the money men at Fox who wanted a blockbuster but weren’t prepared to put in the time to make one. If you ever need an example of why accountants shouldn’t be allowed within a thousand miles of a film set, this is it. There is much praise of Fincher’s ideas and his energy although the archive interviews from the set now seem touchingly optimistic. Most moving is the material dealing with Jordan Cronenweth, the original DP who was suffering from Parkinson’s Disease and had to withdraw from the film. The genius who deserves much credit for the look of Blade Runner - and consequently the look of much cinema that followed – Cronenweth is clearly very ill in the footage here and it’s heartbreaking to watch. Fincher was lucky to get Alex Thomson, a fine cinematographer, to replace him but it does seem that some of his enthusiasm began to waver after his first choice DP left.
Following a great collection of production photos, including extensive shots of Weaver losing her hair, we get a nice little time lapse sequence of the huge furnace being constructed at Shepperton Studios. The purpose of this is obscure but it is presumably intended to remind us of the effort which goes into set construction. The overall effect is reminiscent of that speeded up London to Brighton train journey which used to get shown on TV every so often.

“Adaptive Organism” is a look at the work of Tom Woodruff and Alec Gillis on designing the Alien. They used some of Giger’s ideas but then tried to bring their own take on the creature. Some of the ideas which didn’t make it – the super facehugger for example – are especially good and it’s nice to know that more of their work can be seen in the extended version. The ox chestburster really is a great moment that’s been retrieved from the cutting room floor. The bad ideas are also examined, notably the attempt to put an Alien exoskeleton on a dog. Very amusing and has to be seen to be believed. This featurette is followed by a photo archive of the Alien 3 work of Amalgamated Dynamics Incorporated, the firm headed by Woodruff and Gillis.
I particularly liked the next feature, a multi-angle presentation of the EEV Bioscan sequence, in which Ripley discovers that she is incubating an Alien. There are six angles on offer; five different parts of the bioscan and the final shot. This is fascinating and showcases some superb effects work. A good commentary from ADI explains the design of the sequence.
Finally, we get “Production” parts 2 and 3. These go into the whole sorry saga of the incredible efforts to get the film finished and the way in which David Fincher was, for want of a better description, fucked over. Apparently, there was a lot more frank discussion of this process in the original documentaries but this was cut out, presumably in a last minute attack of nerves. There’s something about the way Jon Landau, a Fox executive at the time, talks which makes you not believe him – always prone to overstatement, he was the man who once wrote “I have seen the future of rock and roll and it’s name is Bruce Springsteen”, a description which even the Boss thought was a little exaggerated. One story sums up the madness. Sigourney Weaver had a clause in her contract to say that if she had to shave her head again for reshoots that she would get a $40,000 bonus. Instead of doing this, an equal amount of money was spent to create a bald cap which was then fixed every day in an incredibly complex piece of make-up work. All for very little. A year of production and a year of editing – making the film shorter to please theatre owners who wanted to maximise the number of times it could be shown - ended up in a film which didn’t really satisfy anyone. No wonder that Fincher doesn’t like talking about it.

It emerges, amidst a regrettable paucity of gossip about his relationship with Weaver, that he made best friends on the set with, of all people, Brian Glover. Somehow, I find that very touching and oddly reassuring. Eh up lad, tha’ wants to tell them buggers in t’States to leave thee alone !
Post-Production
Only five parts to this one. The first two featurettes are strictly by-the-numbers, and called “Optical Fury – Visual Effects” and, imaginatively, “Music, Editing and Sound”. Nothing of much interest here, although the effects team really shouldn’t be as proud of some of their work as they seem to be. The blue screen work in places is particularly poor. A visual effects gallery doesn’t do much to improve matters. It’s easy to see that the puppet work was incredibly intricate and carefully achieved but I don’t think it always works. A lack of money probably didn’t help. On the other hand, I still prefer the more physical look of the film compared to the extensive CGI work in Alien Resurrection. There is some computer graphics work in Alien 3 but it’s very limited; to create shadows and to model the head of the Alien.
“Post-Mortem”, the last featurette, concerns the negative reaction to the film. All concerned claim it was misunderstood or ahead of its time and I think they are probably right. But it did get some good reviews – I remember that, in the UK, Anne Billson gave it a rave and she’s always good on SF/Horror movies – and I was very impressed with it, even in the broken and messy form in which I first saw it. Finally, we get an archive of very silly promotional photos. There’s a lot of blue, presumably reflecting the mood of the studio when they saw the film.
The Disc
As with the disc of Alien, the special features are all presented in fullscreen with non-anamorphic 2.35:1 clips from the film. Photographs are generally windowboxed depending on their size. Picture quality is generally very good although the quality of some of the archive video footage is highly variable. The sound throughout is Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo and is perfectly acceptable.
All special features have optional English subtitles. The menus are nicely animated and designed to fit in with the overall visual scheme of the Quadrilogy discs.
Overall, this is a great presentation of a flawed but fascinating film. I can't imagine anyone could be disappointed with the effort and love that is evident from every feature on the DVD and it's certainly up to the standard of the other discs in the boxset.




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The start DOES put a downer on the heroic finale to "Aliens", but the downbeat tone works, as does the finale.
But again! Come on! If R2 is going to be screwed again over extras, why not have just the Special edition comms...Why do we only get the redundent Theatrical comm??
Espcially when the long awaited Ex version of #3 has over 30 mins more footage to talk about! Who gives a shit about what's said over the much shorter theatrical cut?!
Madness....
When are these shipped? As i may cancel this and go for R1. What a mess up! :mad:
I don't mind having one comm track (what's the point of 2) what i mind is the choice of the one we have!
Why the hell have we not got the extended comms!?
Come on DVDTimes...shout up, who gives a crap about how many Fox are 'giving away in our competition'.
Bullshit! You are here for US, not them! The lack of extended comms is something to be annoyed about, not ignore!:( :mad:
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Does the extended cut actually tell us what happens to Paul Mcgann's character?
As he was alive and well on the bed in the theatrical cut after the Alien makes it's escape through the ceiling, but was never seen again.
And i am a bit confused here...is there no infected dog in the extended print?
As i thought the fact that it came from a dog, is what made it to develop as the fast, 4 legged Alien it became???
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still - cows have four legs too!
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The fact Ripley took her own life before 'giving birth' to the alien queen made for a much stronger ending....
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It too personally think Alien 3 is better than the action fest that is Aliens. It is a more intelligent film and I haven't even seen the extended cut.
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Then what happens? Does she just dive in and that's that?
Well, this does seem strange about how the Alien appears...Can anyone give a clear account about it?
Is there no dog scenes at all? Including the scenes of the dog with the prisoner?
What explains it being a fast 4 legged Alien?
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All makes sense now?:D
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But...A COW!!! Then where the hell do we get a fast, 4 legged predator Alien from?? A COW???
Bloody thing would be fat, slow and as aggressive as a well..Cow! :confused:
That was the whole point of it being a different type of Alien, because it was from a dog not a Man. But a cow!?
And I still see no criticism in the 'Fox' love-in going on here of them not giving us a comm track on one of the most anticipated new versions of a film in a long, long time.
Why should I have to choose between the better resolution PAL picture and extras...YET AGAIN...ON SUCH A HYPED, BIG RELEASE?
'Fox' deserve criticism for this, not 'Competition Annoucements'.
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Either that, or quit yer moaning and get the R1 set instead. :p
Seriously though, Fox have released what is probably the finest DVD boxset yet at a very reasonable price, and people still manage to find reasons to complain. :confused:
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42nd Streek Freak - I realise you're upset about Fox's decision to 'short-change' us when it comes to the R2 set but the fact remains - even without the additional audio commentary this is still an outstanding set.
We have reviewed the R2 release, we are not offering a comparison against the R1 set because none of the reviewers own it so cannot honestly say we are missing out on vital must hear audio commentary.
The very best you'll get out of us from your requests for some Fox-bashing is a generic statement replacing the text stating 'THIS COMMENTARY IS ONLY AVAILABLE ON THE THEATRICAL CUT AND NOT ON THE SPECIAL EDITION." to something like 'This commentary is only available on the Theatrical Cut, as opposed to the R1 set that offers an additional XX minutes of commentary on the Special Edition cut."
These changes will however be in the hands of the reviewers as I am happy with what I see above.
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Okay, I'll try again...IF we only have ONE track.
Fair enough.
But why have we got the redundent Theatrical comms (especially on "Alien 3"!!!) as that one track and not the extended one!??
That's 'moaning' is it?? Bullshit! That's a resonable question. And if it's not then please feel free to tell me why it's not.
This is the most sickening bit of 'bending over and taking what's given because we don't want to annoy Fox' I have ever seen! Disgrace!
There is NO valid reason why R2 customers have not got the extended comm tracks. And you all know it.
And stop with the buy R1...As I said..Whay should I have to choose content over the improved PAL resolution?? Again!
I'll tell you why. Because God Almighty, 'here have a set for your competition' Fox, have screwed us over.
It may well be a great set, And I agree it is.
BUT it's not as good as it should have been (and IS on R1 let's not forget) and for no other reason than a couldn't care less attitude to R2 customers from Fox.
Simple as that.
For such a long awaited release as the extended "Alien 3"..We should have the extended version commentary track!
And you all know that.
So stop with the 'Fox can do no wrong' bull going on here.
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You obviously disagree with the lack of comment regarding the R2 sets shortcomings (in comparison to the R1) and we do welcome discussion on the subject but please conduct yourself in a more adult manner and forego the sarcastic remarks in any subsequent comments you decide to make.
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Still no criticism of that fact.
More adult? What was childish about it?
Perhaps i'm getting steamed that you (again, even in the above reply) are still refusing to ask Fox the question of WHY we have not got the extended comm tracks.
Again, you know the extended track is the only way to go, especially on "Alien 3".
We all know it. It's obvious.
Yet it has not happened.
You have NOT given a critical comment about this in your reviews, or in your replies. Still!
You know, I know, we know, and FOX knows there is no valid reason for this shameful oversight. Yet nothing is said.
Seems it's up to the lowly customer just to shout into space about this, as nothing is being said about it from a Site that is meant to represent/inform the consumer...Not just work as a huge free plug for a company that has stiffed it's UK customers.
It is a great set. But is it right that the lack of an essential extended comm track on the long awaited extended version of a film, on a long awaited release...is not there!? No it's not! There, I said it. And so should DVDTimes.
Can't see the point of this though, as you are obviously going to ignore it and instead belittle those that actually point these things out for anyone thinking about which set to buy.
Which is a choice I did not expect to have to make.
R1 or R2... again. PAL or extras...again.
Sorry if that's childish in your eyes. I call impartial, valid, reasonable criticism.
Of both Fox, and DVDTimes.
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Secondly, the competition copy has NOTHING to do with the reviews - this was arranged regardless of the actual review outcome.
Thirdly, how can any of us comment when we haven't seen the Region 1 set? Yes everything does seem to suggest that the commentaries on R1 do cover the extended versions, but until any of us have a Region 1 copy in our hands we can't say anything either way.
Has anyone here listened to the R1 commentary to actually see what is there? - for all we know there could be silences over the additional scenes etc.
In terms of taking this up with Fox - unfortunately, they have the same working hours as the rest of us. We can't expect someone to jump up and answer any questions raised over a weekend and no amount of complaining will get a response.
I'll quite happily contact them myself and see what they have to say - but the fact is the set reviewed here is the set that's going to be on the shelves. That's not going to change now.
And as for what's childish - people throwing their toys out of the pram, and swearing with no need are both things I'd consider childish - and both are things I've seen in your posts above.
We're not commiting to anything until we're 100% on the facts. End of story.
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Alien: Commentary on both versions
Aliens: Commentary on both versions
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Unnecessary hostility towards other readers, constant sarcastic remarks aimed at DVDTimes making it seem like any response I make an excercise in futility unless I suddenly make a complete U-Turn and do everything you ask.
I'm not belittling anyone, I am just asking that you conduct yourself in a manner that foregoes the language and smartass remarks as it not only weakens your point but results in complaints to us from the other readers unhappy with your conduct.
You want criticism? Fine. I agree with you, there is no valid reason I can see for the alternative commentary tracks to not be on this set. I disagree that the 'Extended' tracks are the only way to go - yes, they would have been the better choice in Alien 3 and Resurrection - but in both the theatrical cuts of Alien and Alien 3 you are hearing alternative commentary (or so I'm led to believe) on scenes that are not present in the extended cuts. Though of course this only backs up the fact both commentary tracks should have been present.
The fact remains however that we reviewed the R2 set on it's own merits and I somehow doubt the additional commentary on the R1 set is worth the undue stress you are causing yourself.
Finally I'd like to point out that I have no direct contact with Fox, so getting a response on the issue means I have to go through a third party. I have tried, prior to the reviews going live I requested an 'official statement' from Fox but received nothing and somehow doubt they will issue us with a response now.
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The movie feels more complete and the extra scenes do add a lot to the characters plus adding extra plotlines too.
I watched it with the extra "special edition" marker and some changes are just adding an extra sentence or reaction shot, but what a difference it makes.
This movie has redeemed itself in the Alien universe, and will no longer be seen as the weaker of the 4, in my humble opinion.
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At last! Well done, shame I had to do all the hard work to get you to actually stick your head out and say it.
I'm proud of you.
Now THAT'S being a smart arse. Big difference
And as for complaints from other readers...well if people on here are complaining about me pointing out this fault, this purposeful two fingers up to UK customers by Fox, then I hope it's complaints about it being up to me to do it when DVDTimes should of.
If not...then no wonder R2 gets screwed over so much as it's obvious that there are too many complacent consumers who simply take what's given and are complaining about the wrong things.
Now THAT is depressing.
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